I was reading a really interesting post over at David Risley’s the other day on his return from UnderGround Seminar, now this immediately drew my eye as it’s something I’m looking at going to, not necessarily this particular one, but I do plan on going to more events if and when I get the time and then if they are closer to home.
David hits on a really important point that he went to this seminar and came away from it with a mindset that will further enhance his business, I love that, love getting into a mindset that you can absolutely do it, you just need to actually do something about it, however, Is $2k too much to get into a mindset?
- Pretenders
David said in his article that although $2k seems like a lot,
This event isn’t cheap. I paid $2K to attend. The truth of the matter, though, is that this means only serious players bother coming. It weeds out people who aren’t serious, and that is reflected in the crowd. I haven’t hung out with such a brilliant, more successful group of folks in a long time.
As David said it weeds out the people who aren’t serious, I can totally understand this, I mean unless you are seriously rich who can afford to spend $2,000 on a seminar that isn’t prepared to actually implement the advice being given?
My point in all this is could this advice be gained for free? Or would you be wasting too much time trying to search out this information online from the right sources?
- Advice
Now I have heard some of the names who have attended this seminar and previous ones and they are all the right people to know if you are serious about making an online business work. David actually talks about some of the things he has taken away from the seminar, things like;
Outsourcing, life-work balance and more webinars, these are some great tips and really valuable advice I’m sure, but again could this be found elsewhere for a lot less cash? I seriously doubt that anyone came anyway from that seminar thinking it was a waste of time and I am really quite envious of David being able to attend, but again could this all be realised by other cheaper means?
- Influence
The thing about influence is it’s dependant on environment, take this site for instance I can reach out to you and tell you that you can absolutely make it, without question or hesitation, but I’m sure (without being arrogant) the result would be better in person.
I draw energy from people, I like looking into someones eyes and actually see the fire behind them, I would love to see some of the top flight talk a couple of feet away from me and actually say, you James can make it, just try doing it in this way.
So I suppose my question to you is, $2,000 for a course, would you pay for it? What do you think the benefit of swapping tips with the top flight would be? Or can it all be done without attending or buying a single course?
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Depending on how rich I would be and how interested I am in the subject. I mean people spend thousands on going on trips or cigarettes or cars or whatnot every year and some just spend it on something else. It’s as easy as that.
I do believe that if you really are convinced that you’ll make it, you can make it on your own as well. It will just take a lot longer to gain that necessary knowledge and you might not be warned of the treacherous pitfalls. But you have to think about this: They are successful precisely because they gained that knowledge in their specific niche on their own, so if you want to be really successful you need to gain that niche knowledge on your own as well. And then you can share it with others!
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Yeah that’s a good point, if you don’t have any vices then you could easily afford it, the point about accumilating that knowledge is also very good. I truely do want to attend these functions but it’s seriously difficult when they are on the other side of the world lol
It’s a lot of money, and I wonder if hyping a course as expensive and elitist is just a clever bit of marketing.
I agree that courses can be inspiring but the trick is to keep that passion burning long after the course has finished. Personally, I think audiobooks are a better – you can listen to them over and over again in the car, whereas a course is over and done with in a few hours.
Cheers
Phil
Hi Phil,
Yeah this isn’t something I am thinking of as a venture, it si something I am considering attending though, not this one inparticular but for sure I think the price tag attracts a certain type of individual, maybe the type of people who really are going to make a difference? Not sure where I stand on it though, interesting topic though don’t you agree?
I’d want to know if the course itself was worth the money (what are these dollar things, anyway?
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Meeting good people in the interval is a bonus – you can do that at your local business breakfasts for next to nothing.
Hey Phil,
Yeah I said to Mars I have signed up to their mailing list to see exactly what is involved in the next one
My first question will you pay that sum for the course?
Did you reach such heights in three months b/c of seminars or just your passion coupled with some common sense? If yes then I strongly believe you can go all the way to mmo.
It takes a lot of courage to be a leader and most of us shun the idea of leading a crowd of pple looking to mmo , that’s why we look fir leaders who in turn offer u this courses. On the other hand it’s different for leaders.
I haven’t paid for a course, nor attended or watched any webinar or seminar, built off my own back brother, that said I am interested in what these course have to offer though, $2k is serious cash though especially flights etc
$2,000 is a lot of money yes. But is it too much money to go and listen to someone who completely blows your mind and inspires you? No not really.
You can get this stuff all over the net and from books but there’s a huge difference between reading about it yourself and going to listen to someone who will change your life. There’s more value in the face to face that’s why it’s $2,000.
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Hey Brother, glad you made it here because I know this is kind of your field. Yeah I think face to face hold serious value, I’m kind of on the fence really because this price tag attracts people who will do something with the advice, but those people should be motivated enough to do it without the course. I don’t know really
I’ve no doubt the course was worth it to the people who attended
I wouldn’t say that those who can afford seminars like this should be able to do it themselves.
For self improvement courses certainly the amount of money you have doesn’t mean you know what to do
Interesting topic thou
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Yeah I didn’t mean that, I meant because this seminar is based around online marketing, I would have thought the people going to the seminar being able to afford it would more than likely already know what there is to know.
Yeah I know
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Hi James
Whether it is worth $2000 depends on the result. In business we all need to consider the ROI (Return on Investment). If by spending / investing $2000 I can put myself in a position to make $50,000 a year then that would be a small price to pay even if I could get the same information for a lot less.
Roland
.-= Roland Millward´s last blog ..Finding Followers on Twitter =-.
Yeah good way of looking at it Roland, for sure it’s about the ROI whether that be in monetary terms or motivational
I agree with Roland. $2000 may be peanuts for an investment that brings you a huge RO1. There are more things to consider than money. The networking alone may be worth more than the topic or knowledge that you would get at these seminars. How high is a price to pay to sit beside Seth Godin or Gary V for an hour? These events usually have after-hour parties and there is a lot of socializing done. Maybe you learn one thing at the seminar that you didn’t know before. It may be worth a lot more than $2K. Besides, if you are investing in yourself (your main asset) than $2K is a very small price to pay in the grand scheme of things.
It’s only money, after all. There is more where that came from.
Karen
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The great thing about these events is the excellent connections you can make. When you get so many like-minded people together they are bound to share ideas and network. I have made connections at events that were worth more than any other part of the event.
The fact is that most people could find the information on their own but without the accountability factor, they won’t act on it. The idea behind these events is to immerse you in the knowledge, surrounded by positive people, to help get the message locked in.
Chris
Hi Chris,
Do you think the connections you make at these events actually mean the bonds are stronger because you have met in person?
I do. I have made many connections online but they all become much deeper when I get a chance for some face time. You can never truly get to know someone until you have a chance to read their body language.
People tend to discount or under appreciate the power of connections. If you build your business on a foundation of solid relationships, it will stand for a long time. Face to face interactions build stronger bonds, deeper connections, better relationships.
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Thanks Chris, I can understand that totally. What events have you been to?
I’ve been to T Harv Eker’s Millionaire Mind Intensive and some other lower level local events. I have always come away with more than I went in with. I make sure that I go in with the right mind-set and that any seminar I go to is in line with my goals. If not, then of course, you won’t get your money’s worth from it.
You have to study the event details before dropping your hard earned cash.
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Good question -
If you’ve established a premium brand – being the Apple in the online world – then you can probably demand those exorbitant prices.
If it’s really informative, and if it really has the potential to change/improve my life, then I would consider paying 2 grands. But I have never found a course worthy enough to demand such a high price.
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Yeah it’s an interesting question, I have actually filled in my details on the site to get more information on it.
Here is something I have learned recently, well I always knew it, but you get what you pay for. I have wasted so much time trying to get everything for free. Yes, there is a wealth of information out there for free, but the information that may help you get across a line, you will most likely need to pay for it.
A good example is Frank Kern, his List Control went out last week, $2k. I heard rumblings of $2million in sales in 2 days. Why? Because there is power in a list, if what he teaches in that course can make you 10 times (or even more) what you paid for it, then is it worth it?
I have been looking at things all wrong recently, being to cheap…..
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Hey Keith,
That’s a really good point man cheap isn’t always good. I need to google that List Control, have you got a url for it, not heard of it. Keith we need to work on something together
That’s the same realization I came to right before my business started taking off.
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Brother how long did it take you to realise this?
I know two guys that just paid $4400 to go to a 3 day seminar. Was it worth it? “Oh, yeah” were their exact words. The take away was spo powerful and they know they will implement so much from it that they will more money almost instantly.
I am of the thinking that you get what you pay for!
Dave
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Hey Dave,
I think you’re right brother, did they say it was advice or motivational inspiration they got?
Lets put this into perspective. $2000 is around R8000, in a country where the min wage is R1400 or $175 a month and the average is probably less that $2000 a month. So this would cost most people their entire salary.
If you’re earning a six figure income, then 2k is small change. I always laugh at investors who say if you invest x amount then you can make 3005 on that in 3 years. That’s great, but I don;t have x, in fact I probably cant afford 10% of x.
Whether it is a great investment or not is besides the point. It is whether you can afford. Yes I know that to improve or make money you need to take risks. But I ask David, or any a-list blogger. If I charged $2000000 for a seminar, is that too expensive.
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That’s an interesting comment Robert, The only thing I am struggling with (and it maybe because I haven’t been to one) but what sort of information are they giving to make it worth it. That said I really do think the people who attended got a lot of value from it
Just curious because I see you mentioning cost in terms of R’s…do you make that low of a salary or is that what people around you make?
If it’s not what you earn, then I’m curious why you hurt yourself by thinking small. Maybe I’m just missing the correlation?
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Nathan,
I used the minimum and average as a measuring tool for others to put the costs in perspective.
For me I earn below $4000, so to pay $2000 means 50% of my expected income. A bit much. For many it might be more than that. $4000 is actually a good income and for many would be considered a wealthy income.
In actual fact I think I got my calculations wrong with an exchange rat of 8:1, $2000 US costs me around R16000. On average a good salary, that could take 3-4 months to earn.
But I suppose most who would want to go to a seminar such as that, would be earning more. But still we’re looking at something in the region of R50000 or $6250, there for $2000 is a large amount of money.
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James, wrong answers to wrong questions, my good sir.
Instead, you should be thinking, “How can I, Mr James Richmond, deliver $20.000 worth of value for $2000, in one weekend?”
Yeah, I’m picking on you a little bit… =) but in a good way.
I don’t have the cash flow to support purchasing List Control at the moment. But it’s almost worth it just to go party in San Diego with people who really know this business.
99% of what you need is free. The 1% that matters, picking up the phone calling the right person, that costs A LOT of time and money.
Back to the salt for me.
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Hey Dave,
Yeah that’s a good way of looking at it, I think the obvious question to say in reply is can you deliver $20k from investing $2k? It’s an interesting subject though it really is
Ding Ding Ding…that’s the money ball right there Dave. Don’t think of how you can spend 2k, think of how you can charge it.
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BROTHER think how WE can charge it, love it, love it LOVE IT
Honestly, I don’t believe in too expensive. There is a market for just about anything. What the market will bear is where the price will go. Imagine that everyday hundreds of $2000 purses are purchased on nothing more than a whim…
The question is not is it too expensive or even if it is worth it. The question is will you leave and use it? I seriously doubt that you would spend time at any of these high dollar seminars and leave with nothing. Many even offer a money back guarantee.
I have purchased some expensive info products that were out and out crap. I was amazed, simply amazed. But perhaps to a newbie or a greenie it was great information. For me, it was nothing short of crap.
The best way to decide is to use referrals. Talk to people who have that program or have attended that seminar and get the low down. But before you do, make sure you know what you want to get out of it.
This week I paid a mere $25 to hear Dan Kennedy speak. It was awesome. When I got home I played a CD of a DK seminar… it just wasn’t the same.
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That’s a good point being there in person does make the difference for sure, where was that seminar? was there many people there?
In Phoenix, Az and there were over 250 in the room. It was a locally advertised thing I think.
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You don’t look at these conferences in terms of the information they teach and whether its worth it. It is the people there. And the info is only valuable if you apply it. Smart people come to these conferences and network the hell out of themselves. Those contacts can turn into powerful partners of JVs down the line and make you a shit pile of cash.
So, in the end, you get what you put into it. If you show up at an event like this and just wait for the organizer to deliver $2K worth of value on a silver platter, you’ll be disappointed. However, if you realize the long-term use of it, it works out very well.
BTW, $2K for a seminar isn’t exactly on the high end. There are conferences all the time which cost far more. And people go.
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Hey David thanks for putting your point in, so was this seminar more or a networking event rather than a learniing experience or both? How many people where at the event (roughly if you can’t give specifics?)
Is it possible to put some sort monetary value on the amount of money you have made from paid seminars? I know it’s probably not that easy to do
David,
It’s great if you are earning dollars. For us third world plebs who do not. $2k is a whole new ball game.
It’s all about how much is the 2K worth. For me, $2k, I can pay my bond for 4 months.
.-= Robert Bravery´s last blog ..Uncapped ADSL – No Saviour – What they are not telling us. =-.
Reading can´t replace meeting people. Interaction it’s something you can´t get from just reading.
Expensive? It´s relative. If you think of it as a cost it could be expensive. But, if you think of it as an investment, you know that there’s ROI involved.
Hey Samuel,
Yep in terms of ROI so I think it’s more of a networking event rather than a learning event maybe?
Agree James,
I think that if we look at our client and colleagues lists as a chain of relations or, as you correctly said, networking, we have a gain in perspective. Our goal becomes assist and help each other in achieving our goals.
Seems that most of the comments here already reflected what I wanted to say;
If you’re going to pay that much for a seminar/conference, then you’re serious about it. You already have the motivation, the drive, and the passion to succeed. Everyone else there (apart from the majorly bored, already rich people that go along because they’ve nothing better to do maybe) is going to be in the same boat. You’ll be surrounded by passionate, motivated, driven people.
Would I pay $2k for that? Yep. Would I pay $20k for that? Most definitely. Would I do either of those things if I couldn’t physically afford it? No, but you can bet I’d want to.
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Hey Heather, so do you associate cost with value ? Serious question
Nope. I associate cost with benchmarks; only serious people are going to spend that much money to get into those events.
Example, someone who dabbles a bit and would maybe potentially like to get there someday perhaps is not going to spend that kind of money on something to help them.
As far as information products go too, if it has value AND that sort of price range there’s a good chance the price is set there to encourage the people that really want it, and therefore increase the success rate.
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It comes down to more than $$ signs. When I use to attend conferences in my field it was about meeting people. We usually didn’t go to hear the ‘Big Bang Theory’ and what we took from there was useful. However what we did to support and help each other later is what proved to be the most useful.
The contacts I made that I had not utilized previously provided me with far more than the cost of the seminar. The hours we spent during the day listening to the deliverer was less important as compared to the off hours of interaction with each other. David hits it on the nail when he speaks of the pot of gold vs. looking in the distance at the rainbow. Look at is as an investment, not a cost.
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Yeah it’s an interesting point for sure, I was also wondering how the price is actually thought of
James, one huge advantage is that only people who are serious will show up at a $2000 event. You better use and implement everything you’ve learned at the seminar.
I don’t think it’s too much IF you’re serious about it and if you’re already doing what you think you can possibly do on your own.
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Interesting, this post is producing so many good responses and the majority of those seem to be in favour for the price
Great debate. I do believe that what you are paying for is networking and focus. Rubbing noses with all the right people can open a lot of doors. Sometimes we need that extra push in the right direction to regain our vision. It’s about empowering us. I do agree that you could probably find all the information online for free. But showing and telling people how to use the information is priceless. It’s something that you can see, hear and feel. It is a great motivator. It speaks to your heart… at least for the next couple of months, until the newness of it wears off. But until then… it’s go go go!
Hey Richard,
You’re right it is a great motivator and it really must be awesome to go to one of these things
yes – it’s bloody ridiculous .
at the end of the day – all this entrepreneur fever and aspirational event stuff is big business, and a few people are getting richer, off the backs of the insecure masses, who believe they are onto something. That something lies within us all already, just needs a bit of unlocking and playing with – and you sure as hell don’t need to cough up $2000 to do that
Hey Jane,
That’s interesting, what do you think about the people saying it’s worth it? Does it depend on if you can afford it or not?
James,
The value is something that only David can know. I am not where he is and I don’t understand quite what the purpose of the function was (I did read his post as well). It wouldn’t be worth $2K to me but where David is and depending where he sees himself going, it may be exactly right. David didn’t start going to $2K conferences either. Now, however, that may be exactly what will take him to the next level.
Hey Ralph,
That”s a good point so is it based on the level your business or potential business is at then do you think?
To be honest, I have paid up to $2000 for a course. I look at this way…If you can give more value than what you pay for then it’s worth the price.
I once paid $1300 for a course on affiliate marketing. Now it’s my primary source of income.
Now if you’re one of those people who buys stuff just to feel that pride of ownership and don’t use the material, then I say it’s best to save your money.
.-= Steve Scott Site´s last blog ..Escape Plan Update #1 =-.
Hey Steve, So for a course it’s worth it if it teaches you a new skill or venture idea and a seminar is worth it because of the people you will make connections with?
Absolutely. I’m definitely a fan of putting your money down if it’s something that advances your business. I have to agree with one of the commentators on this post that your time is money and if you’re wasting it spinning your wheels, then it’s better off to pay somebody to learn from their expertise.
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Given the tremendous amount of information on the Internet, it is possible that we can find in websites the information similar to that provided in seminars like those.
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I’d pay it, I almost considered paying the same to go to SXSW a day before it started – especially if you approach your blogging or internet biz like a real business then I suggest spending the money – once you have it of course- to expand your business and grow your networking circles.
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Hey Maren, It’s really interesting to have everyones opinions on this and it seems most are in agreement that it is worth it, would you also say that it’s dependant on the people attending?
James,
I would bet that almost every piece of advice/wisdom/knowledge given at the event is available online … however …
If my time is worth $50 an hour and it would take more than 40 hours to gather that information, and who knows where to find it in just the right order, then I would be better off spending the $2000 for someone else to tell me what might take me a month to locate online.
This is just another form of outsourcing.
If you can do it yourself cheaper then go for it. If you have something better to do and it is worth more money to you, outsource it.
Geoff
.-= Geoff´s last blog ..Mar 9, Optimistic Quotes to Brighten Your Day =-.
Really solid question James. I say no. I say no because it’s out there for free. It’s in your networks. I think its crazy to charge $2000. It’s hard for me to find that much value when I can compile all the info that is blogged about the weeks following the event.
.-= Alex Monroe´s last blog ..Overcoming the Monday Blues =-.
Hey Alex, so do you think it’s too expensive for a networking event?
Definitely. I believe that networking should not be paid for.
.-= Alex´s last blog ..The Virtue of Obsession =-.
Interesting, do you think it’s possible to actually conect with the right people without going to these things?
2K is definitely not too much. I have paid more to attend a conference that I thought I would benefit from. A conference of that caliber is definitely an opportunity to network with like-minded folks so always take your business cards!
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hey so it’s worth it for the doors it opens?
I can sum this up in two words “Perceived Value”. If you perceive the value that you received from the seminar to be worth more than the cost of attending, you have benefitted. If the perceived value is less, you will experience buyer’s remorse and never be satisfied with the outcome.
A lot of attendees don’t feel like there was enough value because they leave the seminar and never put any of the teachings or ideas into action. I could tell you that my gym membership isn’t worth the $1200/year I pay because i’m not entering body building competitions. It’s not the gym’s fault if I only go once a month to attend a workshop but don’t actually pick up the equipment and work out. The only way to see the results is to work at it. Unfortunately, most people are looking for a magic potion that takes the “work” out of the equation.
All the knowledge in the world is useless without action.
It reminds of a Jim Rohn quote, “It isn’t what the book costs; it’s what it will cost if you don’t read it.” and “The book you don’t read can’t help you”.
Chris
.-= Chris Eh Young´s last blog ..Making the Customer Connection =-.
James,
Would I pay $2,000 for a seminar/course, if the seminar/course was relevant to where I was at the time, my answer is, a resounding yes and I wouldn’t think twice about it. It’s a mere drop in the ocean compared with the benefits to you.
Yes you can learn it all for free; if you’ve got the time. By the time you’ve finished your research and learning, you’ll probably find the person who has paid $2k for it, is streets ahead of you and on with the next project.
Simply really!
Regards
Paul
Quite often, the value of these things is the contacts that you meet there and consequently the value can be imeasurable.
I too read the post and I’m glad you brought it up. I think at the end of the day if you make a living at something, then you need to be the best at what you do and that includes reinvesting in yourself.
Whilst this seminar was on the other event SXW (or whatever it’s called) was also on and David made the assement as what would be better for business.
Recognise funds (and time) aren’t limited, you have to focus on what’s going to give the best return.
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Yeah i noticed that too man, David thought it would make better business sense to go, which obviously shows it really was about business, gotta get to one of these events
James,
In response to your last comment to me about if you can meet these people without going to them. Here is my answer:
Look at you dude! You have met so many people. And remember everyone is just an email away. If you are looking to me more people, just ask people in your current network. If you want to speak someone you don’t know just said that email.
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Hey brother that’s a good point, what about the fact that some people believe you can only make real connections in person?
I will certainly pay $2k to be a part of the mastermind that is made up of the best in the IM world.
I’m surprised David Risely is just attending Yanik’s.
Well, that’s better than someone who has known about it for about 5 years now and hasn’t gone for any – Me.
I will go soon though. It’s part of my Goals for the next 3 years.
2k dollars isn’t all that much if you look at in candidly. I have over 15 interviews of the past participators in the UG seminars and ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL ONLINE.
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Interesting man so it’s almost like if you’re willing to apply the information you will make it
Super interesting question James! And the comments that have followed are super interesting too. As someone who normally always has an opinion…I find myself drawing a blank here…
Living in NZ, means that I am miles away from any of these events anyway, if I could time it right I would consider it. I have a pretty clear business plan for my websites (3) and I know where each is heading. So I am not sure what I would gain from a conference like this. I believe investing in courses and educating yourself is important if you want this to be your business. But it is important to recognize when a course, seminar, conference is a good fit with you, and your business plans.
Has anyone heard of a mastermind group?
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Mastermind group? No I haven’t heard of that what is it?
A mastermind group, is just a small group of like-minded individuals who get-together to encourage each other and exchange ideas. I have never been in one, but they do sound like a good idea, cheaper than $2000, and ongoing motivation, ideas and encouragement.
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I like that idea, wonder if it could be done online?