Cease Fire, Cease Fire – Leave Your Ego At The Door For This One
OK I’m going to act as an intermediary here and call an official cease fire on all the hostilities at the moment. We all know what has been going on for the past few months now;
‘The Pros don’t give back’ hit with ‘the newbies are just blog bashing to get traffic’
I have been guilty of objecting to the working ethics of certain people, I have also been guilty of maybe being too vocal about the pricing of certain products and the way they are marketed. If I have been guilty of it, so have a lot of others and if those people are honest it actually doesn’t help anyone.
I’m not going to mention which products or people I am talking about, that’s not important we all know the products and people in question. What is important is the fact we solve this issue right here and now.
There has been a class divide created between us and them and it’s wrong. It’s wrong because it simply doesn’t exist. Now I am going to have a strict word with both camps here, an ear bending if you like, so everyone leave your egos at the door and listen in;
- Professionals
This applies to the people who are making money from their online ventures and maybe taking hits for it. You have all come under fire at some point from what I can see and granted I have been in the mixer (although not for a while). As the market leaders you are easy targets, you know you are, whether people are doing it for cheap traffic or whether they strongly disagree with you so much, people have to tell their readers it simply has to stop.
Now is this right? No of course it’s not, some of the posts I have read about some of your products have been blatant hatred of traffic stunts and that is wrong. Some of the negative press has been well constructed and offered some good insights, but ultimately it’s still not good karma.
So if you are so great why am I bending your ear? Well there has been on occasion some of you are taking this personally and reacting in a way that does nothing but fuel the fire, you clearly are all business minds and as such making a fantastic amount of money which is great, but from my perspective at least it looks like you rally round each other, which as I said fuels the fire. I have noticed some of you tweeting about me in the past, I have back tracked your conversations and it took all my strength not to hit you back. When you reply to comments or mentions, don’t be so short about it as I said it fuels the fire when people are already on the back foot.
Now names or sites aren’t important in this, so what is? You guys are the market leaders, you are the reason why so many ‘make money online’ dreams are alive today, sure you have a right to defend yourself, but you also have a responsibility to act accordingly.
Now before you response immeadiately to this, remember what I said, leave your ego at the door and read what I am about to say to the other camp and read what I have to say at the bottom, OK?
- Objectors
Of course you have the right to write about what you believe in, I have and do it every day. Hell I have even talked about the money makers if a way that wasn’t great, but guys where does it get us? Seriously think about this, as a result of us saying this sucks or that is too expensive and just repackaged marketing, what will come of it? People will agree and disagree and that’s it. The conversation and replies on a post like that last days at best. In a months time, will the argument still be burning? No, will these guys still be making money? Yes.
If we’re honest about all this, these guys are the reason we are doing this. We may not like or take their advice, but because they have made ‘making money online’ a reality it actually gives us hope that we can do it too.
Does it matter that the busier sites don’t reply to every comment? No, does it matter to you that you do reply to everything? If the answer is yes and I bet it is, then keep doing it. If one of these guys only replies to 20 out of 700 comments, does that affect our goals or ambitions? Of course it doesn’t, if anything it makes you look better, so don’t worry about it.
I know what some of you are saying about it being a ‘secret club’ in which they all rally around each other and believe me I know what it’s like to have them talk about me, but aren’t we doing the same thing? We’re creating our own little club which is rallying round everyone.
OK now everybody come together and listen;
Everyone who has a website will always talk about things they want to and I’m not saying don’t mention other products or people, but do it in a way that is productive. For example instead of saying ‘$47 a month for a forum is ridiculous’ Why not constructively analyse it, ask the seller to get involved etc. If someone does mention your product on their site, don’t get personal, be a professional and do your job, be the market leader and offer help or advice in a constructive way.
Ultimately none of this is going to affect anything we do, I do things completely differently to someone else, does it mean my way is better than thiers? No.
As a leaving thought I would like everyone, professionals and objectors to get involved in this post and draw a line under it.
My inspiration for this post? My best friend of many many years who back in the day got me out of a lot of hairy situations in the military, a guy of honour and supreme courage, a guy who was a decorated hero who had saved countless lives including mine sadly died from cancer yesterday, leaving a family of three behind. All this petty he said she said rubbish needs to stop, let’s get on with the task in hand and help each other.

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Twitter: TylinaVespart
says:
Going to stay out of this one for the most part, because I’m very much in the neutral party and (as far as I’m aware) I get on decently well with both sides.
Interested in seeing where this goes though; hope it doesn’t backfire on you James.
Heather´s last blog ..Alpha Maps: Control what other people see with textures
Twitter: theinfopreneur
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Hi Heather,
Yeah me too, it shouldn’t it’s about time all this stopped we’re all the same just trying to make our own way.
Twitter: robsellen
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Sorry to hear of the news regarding your friend, I lost a close mate who I grew up with to cancer in 2006, he was 35… sad stuff.
Your comment about making our way, true, but how we do it matters, I’ll bash something if I see it as “unethical” which for me the third tribe was… but as I said in the post I bashed, nothing against the people personally, I know Darren is a helpful, all round nice bloke, nothing against any of them, only how they did what they did.
But, I agree with “looking after our own backyards” before anything else, we all gotta feed families etc…
Not to sure about this “class” thing, I only see groups of people helping (pimping too) each other.
That’s just business, in fact that’s just life.
The thing is, and it won’t change no matter what any of us say, we are all accountable to everyone by way of doing what we do, saying what we say and the fact we do it publicly.
Thoughts are with your friends family.
Rob
Rob Sellen´s last blog ..A-listers? No thanks, what I read and you should too…
Twitter: theinfopreneur
says:
Hey Rob,
Thanks brother it’s always the best ones to go. You’re right Darren is a bloody nice bloke and actually has given me a lot of help recently, you’re right we do have to feed our families and if we’re not stealing from people, is it such a bad thing….
Twitter: bloggersmarket
says:
Hi James,
People have been banding together sense they learned to build fires. This is human nature. What makes the difference is leadership, whether one leads, or a select group leads. This provides strength and stability. True community is realized when several groups or nations for that matter, can find common ground.
Jeffrey´s last blog ..Super Bowl Fun! Bloggers Market Bowl
Twitter: theinfopreneur
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Yeah I agree completely and we will all actually have common ground. I still think our interests will cross over and we can help each other. I think the need to put all this to a stop will be healthier for everyone involved and ultimately the readers will benefit
Twitter: websiteweekend
says:
I agree, I’m cool with everyone “involved,” and not sure what’s going on anyway.
Check out my cool article coming tomorrow, too. Good technical tips for helping comments.
Dave Doolin´s last blog ..Pre-Writing Is Your Friend – With Benefits (Part 2)
Twitter: theinfopreneur
says:
Will do brother, thanks Dave
Twitter: theblog_log
says:
I don’t want to bash the big money guys, Hell, I want to be one.
Ray´s last blog ..Your Blog Is A Success?…Are You Sure?
Twitter: theinfopreneur
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Yeah likewise brother, I want to be up there buying cigars and range rovers lol.
Twitter: brandingrays
says:
Ray, I cant agree more with you. I think that those that are complaining about what other business people do aren’t spending enough time on their own business.
Why do you care if someone hangs out with someone else? Why do you care if a product is priced too high? You are either going to buy it or you arent?
This shouldn’t even be a discussion. There will always be people complaining about why they aren’t successful. They complain about bloggers and they complain about governments. In the end we will have to make a decision and DO something about it. Talking negatively about someone else isn’t going to change your situation especially if these are people that can teach you something.
And remember, you can’t get something for nothing.
Brandi N. Grays´s last blog ..How to Build Your Business on Elance: Part 2 of 3
Twitter: theinfopreneur
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Hey Brandi,
Thanks you’re totally right talking badly about someone elses product will very rarely actually help the person talking. Other than a day or two of decent traffic how else will it help you, will it help you sell more of your product just because you are saying someone elses is bad, probably not.
Let’s stay focused on our own tasks, good comment Brandi
Hey James,
Well, I’ll chime in only because I suspect I’m being considered as part of this. Since you did make a point to tell me about this post on Twitter.
I’m with ya 1000%. I think the “class structure” of the blogosphere is completely bogus and non-existent… except for those who find benefit in perpetuating it. As another commenter stated, to a degree I think this is just human nature. The fact that people who blog for a living talk to each other is not in any way a bad thing, any more than any other group talking is bad. We have something in common and that forms relationships… it is the way the world works.
But, another point I’ll make is this…. the people who have taken part in this supposed soap opera are very few. The other 99.9% of the blogosphere likely has no idea what you’re talking about.
So, being that it is pretty much a petty issue, one that I imagine the “objectors” have been thinking a lot more about than anybody else, I’m with ya on this post. Letting the mental gears churn over this even one more rotation is a waste of mental bandwidth. Evaluating other bloggers doesn’t offer any value.
You’re a great blogger, James. You’ve got a work ethic that I think was instilled into your from your history in the military. It will take you far. Obviously, I think some things you do might not serve you best when it comes to monetization at the full-time level, but as I’ve offered before, you’re always free to hit me up via email and get my take on things. You know the address.
And, of course, I can only offer my advice, which is surely NOT the only way to go and not the only way to make money at it.
Rock on.
+1 one to David. Am I aloud to say +1 or is that so 2009?
I also think that bloggers use the controversy to try to stir up traffic instead of doing it the right way. Desperate attempt at clicks in my opinion.
James,
I’ll admit. There are some of the things you have said that get under my skin. Talking about how you are going to crush Darren and other bloggers who have earned their spot is not exactly a way to come into this field. I do appreciate your drive and enthusiasm…but some respect does need to be shown to those that do it the right way.
(I saw it in an interview where you were going to do it within a year or something like that)
You have a good thing going here and working with other bloggers is just as important as anything else.
Keep the drive going and success will come.
Robb Sutton´s last blog ..What Probloggers Won’t Tell You – Blogging is Bloody Hard Work!
Twitter: theinfopreneur
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Hi Robb,
Not sure I have ever said I’m going to ‘crush them’ but I take you’re point. We have all said and done things that have been on the wild side and I do respect it Robb, just ask David and Darren who I am in email contact with. But as far as all this goes line drawn and no more bickering. Thanks for the support
Twitter: theinfopreneur
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Hey David,
Thanks man it’s all good, you’re right not everyone knows what’s been going on, for some it’s been clear to see. The sort of help you’re offering is great and very helpful, thanks David good to draw a line under it.
BTW, one more note…
Really sorry about the loss of your friend. That sucks. Let’s all hope we can put cancer to the history books some time soon.
Twitter: theinfopreneur
says:
Yeah man I agree.
Twitter: segedoo
says:
Me too,
Lost my Dad to multiple myeloma cancer last July and my Mum Just spoke to me now about emulating his virtues etc.
Cancer Sucks man.
Olusegun´s last blog ..10 Commandments of Change
Twitter: theinfopreneur
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Brother it’s always the best ones to go man.
Never seems fair, the way I am thinking of him was the way he was, not the way he was meant to be.
Twitter: travisamorgan
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Yes!!!
That’s one I’m going for.
Travis´s last blog ..The End Justifies the Means
Twitter: bluepop13
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First and foremost I’m very sorry to hear about your friend. We all have lost someone and will lose someone in the future and it’s never an easy thing to go through.
I won’t go too much into what all you said here as I feel that we’re all in this together, to win this together. It’s about doing something and helping everyone else do it better. Everyone else meaning others return the favor simply because they can. Some will, some won’t. I’d like to make a full time living with my blog some day and I think it can be done. How? I’m not sure but quitting is not the answer. I’m here to help and hope that others will be in the same mindset.
Great article and definitely worth retweeting as any article I comment on, James!

Eric´s last blog ..Real Or Robot
Twitter: theinfopreneur
says:
Thanks brother,
Yeah I think we’d all like to to earn big bucks from our sites one day, these guys are already doing it so lets take what we like from them and delete what we don’t and get on with our own empires.
Twitter: problogger
says:
Not really sure what to add to this one James. A few quick comments:
- I agree with David in that the vast majority of people have no idea about this. It’s actually not a massive deal and I’m not really sure we need to put a lot of time into ‘fixing’ anything but would rather we just put our efforts into building what we each believe we’re on about. If people want to talk to me about anything I do my contact details/forms are on my blogs and I’m always open to hearing from people and dialoguing.
- From the 8 or so years of blogging I’ve done I’ve seen this type of thing happen in almost every niche (and what has been happening here has been on a very small scale). Older bloggers who have grown up together, met at conferences, collaborated etc are seen by newer bloggers as being exclusive and a new group of bloggers start to grow up together and form relationships. Sometimes they distance themselves and even attack the older bloggers. Sometimes the older bloggers are threatened by the new ones… conflict sometimes happens. In most cases its simply false perceptions of what others are thinking/doing that causes the issues (many times without one party even knowing that there is a problem).
I’m not saying any of this is just natural and we shouldn’t talk about it but all i can really say is that as one of the older bloggers in this niche there’s no collusion happening here among us. Some of us have naturally grown in relationships to the point where we work together on projects but we’re not setting out to be exclusive – we just trust one another after years of interacting and naturally work together as a result. We’re not trying to keep anyone down, we’re just friends and in some cases people who work together. I for one am open to interacting with new bloggers – it’s challenging at time to do so due to the workload that I have and the number of requests I get – but I try (and will continue to try) to be accessible, interactive and open to getting to know new people.
- I try to stay out of the conflict. I’ve said this before on this blog and elsewhere but I guess my approach to this type of thing is to attempt to stay out of it. Stuff gets written about me and others I am friends with and while it hurts I tend to just take what I can from it that is valid, ignore the rest and move on. If I think someone has some genuine motivations and valid points I’ll attempt to reach out to them (usually in private and sometimes in comments) but more often than not I move on and keep working on what I believe in.
Life’s too short to get caught up in this kind of stuff. Perhaps by taking this approach I infuriate those who take shots at me more but I’m not sure what else to do.
While I admire the idea of a cease fire – I’m not really sure whether it’s needed or warranted. As I say – I’m open to chatting. If people want to contact me – feel free to do so via my contact forms or at darren AT problogger DOT net
Darren Rowse´s last blog ..Be a Playful Blogger
Twitter: theinfopreneur
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HI Darren,
It’s good of you to open yourself to dialogue and while you may not feel the cease fire is needed others may and that’s the point really. The only ones who aren’t benefitting are the ones pointing the fingers in a way that isn’t really right. You guys will always make money, but you started somewhere, same as us and it’s the starting guys like us, who need to keep focused on what we’re doing and not what you guys are doing.
Thanks for taking the time to comment
Twitter: supr_awesm
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Since Darren just posted on your site, and your networking with him and David R, that in and of it self kind of disproves your point that their is a war in a small way. From what I see it comes down to simply:
How bad do you want it? You, posting 4 times a day, commenting on 20 sites a day, and guest posting 10 times a month want it bad. You earn the respect of others, by proving your here to stay.
Twitter: theinfopreneur
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hi David,
I’m here to stay brother, building my empire. Thanks for your input
TheInfoPreneur´s last blog ..Can Fans Become Customers?
Twitter: ralphcarlson
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I guess I’m oblivious to what is going on. Can’t we all be friends?
Ralph´s last blog ..Change you can believe in
Twitter: theinfopreneur
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Hell yeah we can Ralph!
As a newcomer to this, I haven’t seen much but the fringes of these conversations and I usually just ignore them. I’ve had friends ask me if I’m nuts to do some of the things I’m doing to try to learn from some of the “pros” and the way I look at it is this: I’m an intelligent woman and capable of making wise, informed decisions. I don’t imagine this group is any different than any other profession, people DO form relationships based on getting to know each other. That said, even to my own surprise sometimes, I’ve never found that my contact with a “pro” has gone unanswered or been ignored. I have found them to be quite open and giving to share ideas and comments on things and I am thankful for that. Everyone just won’t like everyone else, that’s why you find what works for you and do it and stop worrying about what others are doing.
Kathy Nicholls´s last blog ..Leadership: F is for Failure
Twitter: theinfopreneur
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hey Kathy,
Completely right here, not everyone will get on and not everyone will talk about to each other, but by focusing on other peoples business and website it takes your eye off yours. Good point Kathy
Twitter: KiwiGordie
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It’s been very interesting as someone who isn’t in the problogging or MMO niche watching you guys. I can picture some of you foaming at the mouths as you pound out your posts on your keyboards. I hope things settle down a bit and people focus more on what they can do right rather than what other are doing wrong.
Sorry, for the loss of your friend, James.
Gordie´s last blog ..Carrots, Sticks And True Motivation.
Twitter: theinfopreneur
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Hey Gordie,
Thanks man, yeah I think focus is needed and will definately happen, looking forward to pushing on and achieving the goal!
Twitter: allynpaul
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hey man, I will keep you and your friend’s family in my thoughts.


as far as the bickering, It’s just business.
Allyn´s last blog ..Profiling James The InfoPreneur
Twitter: theinfopreneur
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Hey Allyn, Thanks brother. when is the new part of your case study up?
Twitter: cadilacjax
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Hey James, I know the feeling of the loss. Thanks for asking me how I was doing the other day. I told you that we were about to lose a family member. Well she passed and do to cancer or what not. Such is life, she’ll be missed tremendously. (taught me how to fish)
@Darren, sure said a lot for not wanting or sure what to add. Oh and by the way I’ve contacted you via mail and shiz I’ve never gotten a response back.
As far as bickering and bashing and taking him/her dating.. uh I mean blogging.. that is life. But for the old timers and pioneers, you really do think your better IMO and do try to keep others down. That’s life in this business and the business world. Admit it. You want my money and don’t really give a shiz about my tribe, it’s all about yours.
I’ll agree on one thing and that is that very few bloggers of the world wide web even know about what’s being commented here. They care more about sports, celebs, and fashion (the real celebs not PB’s) so it’s really mute. I have to give the pioneers credit, but only because they stayed with it in the beginning when all others failed or just wasn’t motivated to put in the hard work ethics. And as long as it rains blogs there are newbies that’ll bite into the Valentine Candy only to find it Sux. What I find here is only a few that seek the same and nobody can really provide the other with immediate riches. The ones that last are the ones that’ll succeed and the ones that succeed will be nice and play hard. How’s that for a slap on the good game ass!
Twitter: problogger
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Lee – if you’ve contacted me via email and I’ve not responded I apologize. I try to keep on top of it but some get through. I’ve just searched to see if I can locate your email and based on your URL I can’t find anything obvious – not saying it’s not there but I can’t see anything with http://leesdykstuff.blogspot.com/ in it.
If you’d like to try again I’ll certainly keep an eye out for it.
In terms of old timers trying to keep others down – I can’t speak for everyone but that’s now what I’m in this for. I can’t ‘prove’ my motivations but try every day to help others as best I can.
Darren Rowse´s last blog ..Be a Playful Blogger
Twitter: cadilacjax
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Apology accepted Darren. When I first started blogging I wrote a nice post about you or included you in it and how you seemed helpful in your blog ideas and leadership. I stand by that post. I learned from the the likes of you. My point is that as I’ve maneuvered ahead I don’t seem to get much from you that takes me forward. Not that you or any other owe me a damn thing, you don’t. But if you want to promote your shiz in video’s , post, ebooks, conferences and on and on.. better do more than say… Content is King..or someday you’ll be my queen.. jus sayin.. can’t keep sellin me that. I’ve heard it and heard it. Only a blogger who is just starting out like I was a few months ago will compliment you for it.. Is that your reach?
If so then obviously it’s working so what are you doing here commenting if you can’t comment on your own blog.. sounds like your skeeerrred.. I love what I do and may never obtain your success in the same way, selling to naive bloggers, but I don’t knock you for it. At least I hope that’s not how you take it, just can’t sell me on it.. Sell me something that you didn’t already give away for FREE…
You rock for real.. not many can say their at the top of big daddy like you.
Twitter: problogger
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Lee – thanks for accepting the apology.
In terms of your comments – I do focus mostly on helping the beginner to intermediate blogger and do find that those who’ve been around for a while tend to find their feet and not need as much hand holding. While I do try to keep posting some of the more advanced stuff I find that it doesn’t hit the mark as much mainly because as bloggers go further and further ahead they find that only specific things work on their blogs (not sure that I explained that right).
In terms of commenting on my own blog – I’ve been working more on that side of things of late and am encouraging those who guest post on my blog to similarly comment on their own posts.
When it comes to ‘selling to naive bloggers’ – I’m not really sure how to react to that. I work hard to deliver value to people – if they don’t find what I sell helps them then I’m more than willing to give a refund.
Darren Rowse´s last blog ..Be a Playful Blogger
Twitter: cadilacjax
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Can I get a REFUND if I didn’t buy nothing. My jist exactly.. you owe no one anything and what I’ve learned from you I got for free…. and in all honesty.. I’ve made money blogging.. just not six figures… maybe the word ‘naive’ was improper placement.. nah…
But if refunds are … well can I ask you this, have you ever had to give a refund?
I like your latest post by the way.. I seriously plan on spending some time on it tommorow. I see some benefits [I] can use. Let me tell ya bout the boy on the roof the other day. I was busy online while he crawled out the window on the second floor roof.. not good… talk about humour.. gotta laugh but almost cried. Said the dog made him.. Mookie, that dam dog mookie anyways
Twitter: cadilacjax
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Guess Darren had to go get the boi, he skipped over my…”did you ever have to give a refund” question. See that’s what I’m talking about. When the Shiz hit’s the fan, the kitchen gets too hot, the water too deep.. they leave…… jus sayin..
Last comment .. on this post for me.. I think I said enuff…. Doh!
You tweeted this post to Darren, David and me, so I guess you were looking for a comment from each of us.
Not really anything to add other than:
Good. Let’s move on.
Mike CJ´s last blog ..Stop!
Twitter: cadilacjax
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Your blog sux…Wow can I say that on here, especially a post that promotes don’t do that..
I know I know mine does too.. but at least I don’t have $$$$$how$$to$$$get$$rich$$with$$$$$buying$$$into$$$$Shiz$$$$ all up and down mine. … go naivete’s..
The more I read wanna be’s the more I love Lees shizzle
Twitter: donpower
says:
Mike;
I also got a tweet about this post and told James via twitter that I really had nothing more to add.
But seeing your comment, Mike, inspired me to say just ONE more thing:
More than enough pixels have already been spillled on this topic.
I’m with Mike – let’s move on.
Cheers!
- Don
Don Power´s last blog ..A 2010 Olympics Solution for Homelessness-Let Them Shovel Snow
Twitter: theinfopreneur
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Exactly brother, that’s what this is all about, drawing the line underneath it all and moving on.
Twitter: donpower
says:
Cheers!
- Don
Don Power´s last blog ..Going Local – How do You Use Social Media to Boost Local Business?
Twitter: israelimom
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Nice exchange. I don’t see this as a “conflict” myself. Good people on both “sides” with some interesting dynamics in the blogosphere.
Anne Moss´s last blog ..Eight Reasons Why You Need to Start Buzzing
Twitter: theinfopreneur
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Hey Anne,
Yeah we’re all good people striving and aiming roughly for the same thing.
With the best interests of our families at heart.
Twitter: Giveabrick
says:
This all seems so silly, childish and petty, I almost didn’t bother even adding a comment.
James, your work ethic has encouraged me to work harder and the charity is seeing results. But as for all this quarelling, I didn’t even know it was real. I just always assumed it was your way of drawing the so called ‘big boys’ in to play
Live and let live is my motto. Do what is true to you and then you’re less likely to have to start back peddling later.
Eleanor Edwards´s last blog ..If you want to take over the world – look to young people.
Twitter: theinfopreneur
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Eleanor,
I have always done and stood up for what I believe in, you know that and you know I’ve always and will continue to always help with no agenda, this post isn’t about me entirely it’s about drawing a line under this pettiness.
Thanks for taking the time to comment though, always appreciate your imput.
Twitter: ShaneHudson
says:
James,
This post and comments cover everything there is to say about it, well done for being so comprehensive!
I would just like to say one thing though… sticking up for what you believe is VERY important, it is one aspect that I make sure I am doing everyday. So it is good to see you doing the same.
Good post and discussion,
Shane
Shane Hudson´s last blog ..Interviewed For Raising CEO Kids
Twitter: theinfopreneur
says:
Hey Shane, good to have you here again, brother when you gonna guest post for me?
Twitter: jsinkeywest
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Wow some great dialogue. Sorry about your friend James death is one thing about life I hate. As far as the WAR and backlash against the real value of charging people for a forum and all that I was a little angered in the fact that these well known bloggers who have been blessed so much would turn around and TAP the the same people that got them there is really none of my business if people find value in that and have money to waste Go for it. I had to throw Chris Brogan a smack down not to long ago because I was tired of listening to him 24/7. But when it’s all said and done we are all in the same Human Race and should ALWAYS do whatever we can for each other. Recently I have been getting a lot of comments and damn it’s work to go in and approve them 24/7 but I could not imagine an email box full of bloggers wanting and needing stuff everyday all day. @Darren who I always respected and to be honest was surprised and disappointed in being involved with that #Tribe thing.
You gave me some stuff to think about today. How Can I ADD to the blogging scene not Distract and Subtract 


The bottom line is there should be no wars and drama and I’m often WRONG about reacting and have toned that down because I agree there no sense in wasting time hating and arguing when WE can all just be doing our best to look out for each other. Every blogger likes the Luv and recognition so why not just give it to them ALL
Let’s get it on.
Nice work Thanks
John Sullivan´s last blog ..Let’s look at the Blogger Illustrated
Twitter: theinfopreneur
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Hey John,
This is why the post was published to create a better feeling. Brother I love that ‘what can I add, not distract and subtract’
Great point, let’s get it on!
Twitter: theMickMorris
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Well…… the lyrics of a song spring to mind….”when two tribes go to war…”……. In reality this has NO relevance, but it jumped into my head (weird place to be in, I know I live there!)
I have watched some of the comments in the past.. and must say I have splinters in my backside from sitting on the fence.
Are the “older guys” collaborating and helping each other out? YEP, just like what happens in every other business enterprise ever to be in existence…. strategic partnerships, joint ventures, etc etc etc (and has been indicated in the thread above, it happens because people build up relationships over time and learn to trust each other based on experience over time)
Are the “new guys” collaborating and helping each other out? YEP, just like in every other business enterprise ever to be in existence.. . (and as has been indicated above…. are in the process of building those relationships both with “old guys” and “new guys” , out of this will come new or expanded networks, and given a bit of time those that become successful will be seen by new entrants (of which there will be hundreds of thousands more to come) as those “old guys”
In reality…..,
I have (and am) paying for some of the products referred to. If I wasn’t getting value out of them I wouldn’t be paying (thanks “older guys”.)
I have (and am) making my contribution in this forum and elsewhere and getting good value and support (thanks James and many other “new guys” )
I am learning from both groups and appreciate every bit of knowledge, support, sharing etc that goes on regardless of which group of “guys” anyone belongs to.
While many people will not get what the above is about….. regardless the fact that representatives of both “groups” are involved in a dialogue is in my opinion constructive and valuable.
I look forward to continuing to learn from EVERYONE, and building relationships with many of you as part of my blogging journey!
Now…. I’ll go get those splinters out of my backside and put some loud music on to get rid of that damned song out of my head!
Mick Morris´s last blog ..Pain is inevitable – Suffering optional
Twitter: theinfopreneur
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Hey Mick,
Sometimes the fence can be a great place to watch the cats and dogs run around.
Great points made, out of interest what programmes are you using? Would you reccomend them?
Twitter: Bigredtomato
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Firstly James, I’m very sorry to hear of the loss of your friend. It does seem quite ironic that our heros go out of their way to save our lives and freedom when there is little that we can do for them.
Secondly, I think the so called ‘blogger wars’ are just that so called. They seem to have origins in jealousy and stem from the over exeruberance of newbies to criticise the people who are fortunate to do what they do and make a living from it.
But, I think most sensible people can recognise this and take it for what it is. It’s not that important.
As long as people constructively criticise the action and not the person then that’s fine and that adds to the quality of the conversation.
Personally, I read a lot of great blogs and i’ve learnt something new from each of them and hopefully my blog is better as a result.
Darren, I’ve learnt loads from you and I can’t thank you enough. Incidentally you’ve never responded to my Tweets or emails either, but no big deal.
James, I’ve leant less technical stuff from you, but I have learnt a stack from you about motivation and increasing Traffic. Plus I’ve worked with Ben (www.6aliens.com) on guest posts and he’s helped me with some technical issues as has Karen from http://www.ameaningfulexistence.com all as a result of your site, so thank you brother.
Don’t sweat the small stuff, life is too short. As long as what you do is legal and ethical I have no problem with anyone.
All the best.
Matthew Needham´s last blog ..How to hold Effective Meetings
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Hey Matthew,
Yeah we all learn different things from different people, I call it ‘save and delete’
We save what we like from different people, delete what we don’t and upload it to our own readers.
Awesome to have your support brother
Twitter: travisamorgan
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As a seasoned pro-blogger,
…. haha, just kidding.
But really, I think I even used to have this “class structure” my imagination as David calls it. Though it wasn’t to the detriment of our pro-blogger brothers out there, it definitely impacted me!!
That is, until I made a comment on one of your guest posts on David Risley’s website. I made a comment that said something like, “Someday I’ll have a post here… You just wait and see, David!”
And to my surprise (unfortunate that I was caught off guard), David replied with, “There’s no corporate ladder you need to climb here. Feel free to send in a post any time.”
That totally demolished the “class structure” I had. Sure, he, Darren and various others get more traffic, and yes, they make a killing at what they do. But they’re our “peers” and fellows out in the inter-verse. And the fact that they are farther along is just more reason to appreciate their contribution and learn from it, applying it to our own projects.
They’re there to help. A hesitancy to contact them and touch base will only make you assume (as sad as that is).
Travis´s last blog ..The End Justifies the Means
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Hey Travis,
Yeah I almost think the class structure was possible born out of the word problogger and blogger. Although it was never meant to be treated as such.
Daft really as in the last few days Darren has been helping me in private and David is always getting his ear bent by me. Now Mike is providing amazing support here to.
I think this post has brought out some amazing positives.
Twitter: travisamorgan
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Maybe we should all just call each other pro bloggers? I wouldn’t mind that…
haha, slightly kidding. But that’s really awesome bro, I’m glad you’re getting some insight from the “pro’s.”
Travis´s last blog ..The End Justifies the Means
Twitter: freemanlegacy
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I’ve been guilty of stepping in it a time or two, and afterward it is professionally immature to bash others. Like you said it is bad Karma.
As consumers it our individual responsibility to determine if a product is of value. Bashing a product based on price alone is unproductive. Now if someone were to own the product or have access to the product and did an honest review then that post would be of value to the blogosphere.
Ms. Freeman´s last blog ..Ms. Freeman’s First Guest Post!
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Hey,
Yeah I think that would be a really good way to handle the situation too. Buy the product and review it, now that would be a great business.
I think we all, everyone one both sides, just concentrate on our own game rather than focussing on the other teams out there and complaining about what they do and how they do it.
Peace and love. Peace and love.
I would say for one thing I’d love to meet up with the likes of Darren, David and Gary at a conference one day along with the rest of you.
Ben Lumley´s last blog ..8 ways to make Valentines Day special this year?
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How amazing would that be Ben!
ha ha I think I would be talking faster than Gary, asking everyone questions at the rate of one a second!
Nah I would have drugged you to shut you up mate so I can ask all the questions lol
Ben Lumley´s last blog ..8 ways to make Valentines Day special this year?